Adam Michnik is editor-in-chief of Poland's leading daily and its most prominent former dissident. In a SPIEGEL interview, he talks about the threat of authoritarian regimes in Eastern Europe, the decline of the region's political culture and feelings of being treated like second-class citizens in Europe.
by Spiegel
We are sitting in
a room on the sixth floor of the building occupied by the leftist-liberal
Warsaw newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza. There are stacks of newspapers
and books everywhere, and on the walls are certificates from American and
German universities next to photos of Adam Michnik with statesmen from around
the world. Michnik is sitting at the table smoking an electric cigarette. He is
the editor-in-chief of Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland's most important
nationwide daily newspaper, which started being published in 1989 as the first
legal newspaper of the Solidarnosc (Solidarity) trade union. Michnik, 66, is
the country's most prominent former dissident. He was sent to prison several
times for his political convictions, starting at the age of 19. He wrote for
underground newspapers and supported the independent Solidarity trade union.
When the communist regime declared martial law in 1981, Michnik was detained.
In the spring of 1989, he took part in the Round Table talks, as an adviser to
Solidarity leader Lech Walesa, and negotiated the first free elections. Since
then, he has focused his attention on the upheavals in Eastern Europe. For
Michnik, the demonstrations in Bulgaria against the corrupt political class,
the authoritarian tendencies in Hungary and nascent nationalism are all the
delayed consequences of 40 years of oppression and patronization under
communism. Michnik has a special relationship with SPIEGEL. When he was allowed
to go to Paris in the 1970s to visit Jean-Paul Sartre, he called the SPIEGEL
offices in Hamburg from Paris. He wanted to know whether its editors would like
to print an essay he had written, which they did. "It was the first
article I was able to publish in a truly important Western publication,"
Michnik says. "It sent a message to Poland's rulers that they could not
sideline me with force."
SPIEGEL: Mr.
Michnik, for more than six weeks now, thousands of people have taken to the streets in Bulgaria to
demonstrate against their country's rotten political system. More than 20 years
after Eastern Europe's democratic awakening, political conflicts are still
characterized by turf wars and hatred. Why?
Michnik: We lack a
political culture, a culture of compromise. We in Poland, as well as the Hungarians, have never
learned this sort of thing. Although there is a strong desire for freedom in
the countries of Eastern Europe, there is no democratic tradition, so that the
risk of anarchy and chaos continues to exist. Demagoguery and populism are
rampant. We are the illegitimate children, the bastards of communism. It shaped
our mentality.
SPIEGEL: Hungarian
Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, who is very radical in his approach to the press
and the opposition, is not without his admirers in Eastern Europe. The same
holds true in your country with conservative nationalist opposition leader
Jaroslaw Kaczynski. Is the authoritarian brand of politician characteristic of
the East?
Michnik: We still
have politicians who strive for a different type of country: Kaczynski as well
as Orbán in Hungary. They want a gradual coup. If Orbán stayed in power in
Hungary or if Kaczynski were to win an election in our country, it would be
dangerous. Both men have an authoritarian idea of government; democracy is
merely a façade.
SPIEGEL: Orbán says
that a "centralist majority democracy" is needed so that clear
decisions can be made, by decree, if necessary. Otherwise, he says, dangers
like the economic crisis cannot be averted.
Michnik: Hitler said
the same thing when he issued special decrees and emergency regulations. It's
the road to hell. To be honest, Hungary is the country where I would have least
expected this to happen, but it was the first to cut a hole into the Iron
Curtain. In Romania and Bulgaria, perhaps, but not in Hungary. What is
happening there now stems from a disappointment in the Social Democrats, who
were in power before and drove the country into economic ruin. Fortunately,
Poland quickly implemented the most important reforms needed to make the
transition to a market economy at the beginning of the 1990s. It was different
in Hungary. That's why the population is now disappointed and is calling
everything into question, even the things it once dreamed of achieving.
SPIEGEL: Do people
suddenly no longer care that someone is removing judges or editors-in-chief who
are not toeing the party line? Have they forgotten what it was like under the
communists?
Michnik: A part of
society in our countries would still prefer an authoritarian regime today.
These are people with the mentality of Homo sovieticus. But they
also exist in France -- just think of Le Pen -- and even in Finland and Sweden.
SPIEGEL: Orbán is
trying to direct his country into a "system of national cooperation without
compromises." What does he mean by that?
Michnik: British
historian Norman Davies called this form of democracy a "government of
cannibals." Democratic elections are held, but then the victorious party
devours the losers. The gradual coup consists in getting rid of or taking over
democratic institutions. These people believe that they are the only ones in
possession of the truth. At some point, parties no longer mean anything, and
the system is based, once again, on a monologue of power. The democratic
institutions in the West are more deeply embedded in the West than in Eastern
Europe. Democracy can defend itself there. Everything is still fragile in our
countries, even two decades after the end of communism.
SPIEGEL: Orbán,
Kaczynski and others talk about wanting to finally finish the revolution of
1989 and settle scores with the communists. Do former communist officials still
pose a threat today?
Michnik: I think it
was a good thing that Poland chose the path of reconciliation and not the path
of revenge. Nevertheless, I'm still treated with hostility. I was a supporter
of (former German Chancellor Konrad) Adenauer. He too had several options after
the war: to send the people around him who had supported Hitler to prison or to
turn them into democrats. He chose the second path. We also wanted our new
Poland to be a Poland for everyone. The other path would have meant the
opposition assuming power immediately in 1989 and not sharing it with the old
regime. We would have had to hang the communists from the streetlights, and a
small, elite group would have been in charge. That would have been
anti-communism with a Bolshevik face.
SPIEGEL: Many say
that the old boys' networks have become re-established. In Bulgaria, several
thousand people, including many members of a new, urban middle class, are
currently demonstrating against their country's political class.
Michnik: Yes, but
there were also free elections in Bulgaria, where the opposition has just won.
In a democracy, the government is a reflection of society because people are
elected. Sometimes the type of person from the old machine, who is everything
but an appealing figure, happens to win an election. But democracy applies to
everyone, not just the noble and the clever.